December 11, 2011

Jane Goodall at 77: 'There is so much ... I have to do!'

The anthropologist focuses her latest campaign on young primates – the human variety.

By LAURA HAMBLETON Special to The Washington Post

Jane Goodall, 77, has been studying chimpanzees for most of her life. Encouraged by famed anthropologist Louis Leakey and only 26 years old, Goodall set up camp in Gombe National Park in Tanzania to observe a group of wild chimps up close. She is credited with discovering that chimps use tools, are not vegetarians, care for one another and sometimes use violence against other chimps. She has also used her years of research -- and hers is one of the longest scientific research projects in the world -- to show how closely related humans and chimps are.

Now, in what she calls the final era of her life, Goodall is focusing less on the chimps and more on their human relatives -- young ones in particular -- encouraging them with her "Roots & Shoots" campaign to become good stewards of the environment. Recently Goodall spoke with The Washington Post about the process of aging, from both a chimp's perspective and from her uniquely human one. 

Q. You've spent your life studying chimps. Can you describe their aging process?

A. What you notice, wherever, in the wild or captivity, is teeth getting worn down, the body getting shrunken, losing its gloss; instead of being glossy black, it becomes brown gray. Their eyes become sunken. Their movement gets slower. They tend to get more solitary. They tend to move away from excited groups.

Here is where you notice a huge difference in an old male and an old female. Old females have no real menopause. They continue to have a baby every five years. Even when she is very old, she has her youngish child. It's the tragedy of having no menopause. The last child is likely to die because the mother is too old to provide proper nutrition. 

Q. What about an old male chimpanzee?

A. Most of the chimps in the wild don't live to be that old. An old male can be very lonely. Some old males make very close bonds. Very often you get a couple of old guys hanging out and grooming each other. 

Q. Who is mating with old females?

A. Everybody. You're more beloved by the males. You're not scared. You know all the tricks. You are very popular. You quite like it. But remember, we don't see very old females. Most wild chimps don't live more than 50 years.

In captivity, the oldest one is right near the age where I am now. She's at least 74. She's called Little Mama. There are two really old females in the wild. Old Flo, who was definitely over 50 when she died. She had a sort of menopause. She got so frail. Her last child died. She was accompanied all the time by her 8-year-old son. She was never alone.

The other one is a female called Sprout. And the most lovely story about Sprout is when her fully adult, magnificent son, Satan, was 23 years old, he threatened a young male because he wanted to take over the fruit bunch on a tree. So the young male moved away and screamed. The young male's older brother heard his brother scream, swung from a tree and both of them attacked Satan. And bounding through the branches came this ancient female, all shrunken, weighing half of the three males, dropped onto the three fighting males and with her tiny, little frail hands, starting hitting away at the brothers and chased them away. That was Satan's old mother. 

Q. How old do you feel?

A. I don't feel any particular age. Seventy-eight sounds old. I don't feel old. My mind has not gotten cloudy. 

Q. Do you have aches and pains?

A. The first thing you notice is it's not so easy to get up from the floor.

My sister and I were complaining the other day and I remember my mother -- all my family lived to be over 90 -- watching her getting up from the floor, having to push herself up on a chair. I am thinking, "Oh, dear," and gradually it creeps up on you that you can't leap up off the floor. 

Q. How do you keep yourself so vital?

A. There is so much I know I have to do! And fortunately I get back to Gombe twice a year. I always insist that for one of the precious four days (I have in Gombe) I be left completely alone so I can recharge. It's my spiritual energy. When I'm in England, which is home, where I grew up, where my sister and her family live, there are always dogs. There I get my relaxation walking the dogs where I used to scramble as a child. 

Q. What are you still hoping to do?

A. Growing what is already there. Roots and Shoots (an environmental program for young people run by the Jane Goodall Institute) is in 100 countries.

I am encouraging people to think about the consequences of the choices they make: What did you buy? Where did it come from? What's it made of? Does it come from very far away? Was it involved in child slave labor in India or China? Did it involve horrible cruelty to animals, like all of the meat we buy from farm animals? They face torture.

I try to make use of my own ecological perspective. Did I turn lights off? Did I turn off my computer? All of these seemingly little things, when millions of people do them, that starts a mountain of change. 

Q. How long have you been a vegetarian?

A. Since about the late '50s. I read Peter Singer's book about animal liberation. After reading that book, my next meal came along, and I saw meat on the plate. I looked down and said this symbolizes fear, pain and death, and I don't want that in my body. I stopped just like that, boom.

I do a lot of things boom. 

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